Honestly, bro imo not everything needs to be talked out. Just keep it civil with this guy. He’s laid out the basis for your actual relationship through the wedding invitation. No need to potentially cause arguments or any unnecessary conflict, just keep it stepping.
Why are you making issues when there isn't any.. Looks to me like you have toxic dating ideals since you expect to her to be obsessed with you and worry about you leaving. You need to leave her alone and go do some serious growing up.
Okay, then does she have to text literally every person she’s close with to send them a detailed explanation of why they’re not doing X or even why they may not be invited at all?
Like if OP agreed to do the party partially thinking she’s in the BP that’s on her, not her friend. Weddings are expensive and take a lot of planning. Trying to include someone in a different time zone over zoom in things constantly is a pain in the ass in an already stressful time, and it makes the events more about the person not there than the bride herself.
OP can feel hurt that’s fine but it would monumentally OTT to be devastated about it.
Similar situation, total breadwinner still do more than half of the housework and the outside as well. Kids are grown and wife is a, lets say, a TV fan. The only way I can rationalize it is to think if you are single, and have standards for orderliness, etc., you would be doing it all. Of course with children, it is different and some leeway is in order. You could quit doing your “share” of housework and see what happens and than have the discussion, good luck.
You have a lot of pain and resentment; and your girlfriend did nothing but love you. She is not the one who rejected you, she is not the one who withheld her affection or sex from you. She is not the one who bullied you.
Yet you are contemplating leaving the only girl who, in your life, has treated you the way you want to be treated, because she didn't suffer the same way that you did. This is not healthy.
Seek professional help before this relationship disintegrates. Go to therapy.
Thanks. First of all I'm definitely not idolizing my parents or anyone else. It was just to show what the values are I grew up around.
Am I the one who has to grow up because I know that I want a family and the only way to provide stability is with a good job besides being a loving parent? Again: I told her right from the start what I wanted. She wanted to be in a relationship with me but also on-line a life in the future that I consider “The cool aunt life”. She told me she was looking for someone because she felt lonely on her single life in Uni. She doesn't know what she wants to work as later on in life, she doesn't know if she wants children, her studies are one of the worst to actually get a job after Uni and she told me the reason she did them was the foreign semesters. Now I am immature because I stick to my values and she floats between wanting this “suburban” boyfriend with all the benefits like being available and conscientious and a guy who is more “easy living” and finds it okay if she goes abroad and doesn't know if that's the last time she wants to do something like that? To me it sounds like she is the one that has to make up her mind. There is no perfect guy. I think that I am pretty conscientious when it comes to family and trying to have enough time for future children (of course you never know what the future holds). I feel like the guys I know that would be totally 'ok' with their girl doing semesters abroad and not knowing if they would wanna do it again are the same guys that are less strict (for the lack of words) about life anyways. I always hear these girls talking about wanting a guy who is responsible and never finding one and when they do they feel like he is manipulating because responsible dudes are normally more strict about life and expect that from their gf/wife aswell? Sorry for the rant. I believe everyone can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else but you gotta make up your mind sometimes and not blame others if you can't…
Seems very odd that this is only in public and even than sometimes happens and sometimes doesn’t. And she knew it was you. I mean this genuinely – does she have histrionic personality disorder? Borderline? That’s more likely to explain this as opposed to anxiety.
Even if you didn’t have sex, that no excuse. It’s cheating. Now you need to decide if you want to be with a cheater or someone who actually respects you.
I think she’s lonely and had been for a long time. I think she has been abused (by my dad) for decades and is settling for a lower form of the same treatment…she’s willing to put up with his control in exchange for companionship and some semblance of security
Yes. I'm trying to figure out how to talk to him without hurting him. I have made subtler efforts in the past which were met with extreme defensiveness and/or anger.
Yes, if she wants to stay in the relationship she should fix the issue instead of dismissing it. How naked is that to understand. That’s also why i said she should leave first.
Exactly. I feel like the wedding was the last possible moment that he could have salvaged it. After that it'll be quite naked to fix the relationship. It's like you said she walked down the aisle fatherless.
I know that I was my grandparents first grandchild and at the time my parents and my dad's parents were fully no contact for a litany of reasons. My grandparents tried pulling the same shit getting my aunt to guilt trip my parents. In the end they relented but only after my grandpa showed up on their doorstep to apologize.
Whether he was only apologizing because of me I can't really say whether or not he meant it, but it worked.
They were just as bad if not worse than OPs dad and my parents forgave them. The rest is history. All OPs dad probably* has to do is call his daughter up and give a meaningful apology. If he can't do that and the best he can do is send a sibling then too bad.
I feel like there’s a lot of couples what want another person to do or try something the other person doesn’t want to do/try. That doesn’t make them sexually incompatible that just means they like different things..
I agree with you no one should have to do anything they don’t want to do. That’s why I don’t pressure him to do it or bring it up often. Like I said above it’s only been talked about twice.
What do you mean by “ especially when he doesn’t feel the same way about you”
What masculinity? I don't mean to insult, but all you've posted is what she thinks makes you less; do you feel that these actions are not masculine as well? To your minds eye, what do you do that is masculine? Does she notice or comment on those things?
Tell her, you want to play a dating game where you both plan a date for a dollar (long game). Tell her the rules: no outside help, can only use what's in the house, cannot purchase anything the week of the dates, no outside help leading up to the date including the day of etc
Meanwhile, your date idea is: “the sensual chef!” Cooking using the senses, you can be in your birthday suits, candles, monogrammed aprons (sell it), blind folds, etc and work it into teaching her a simple meal, using seduction. I mean turn up the heat. Let your imagination rip and be in over drive. Let her be so turned on that she's begging you to play/plan the sensual chef. The goal is, she will learn how to cook and by the time she catches on, she could be you sous chef.
P.s. don't be a chef be a boyfriend. ( meaning watch the attitude and the pressure. You're not at work. Switch brain)
You will get my honey from bees if you play this correctly. Fingers crossed op. Good luck.
And why are you still in this marriage? How’d he get 4 grand without you noticing from your accounts? Who took him to surgery and who looked after him? Where’s the missing condoms? Just asking again, why is still living with you? Why have you not started a divorce?
I mean, a lot of people cheat with other people who mean nothing to them, so that part really doesn't matter. What matters is how your boyfriend feels about it and whether you'd be ok if he did the same thing.
He's using you for sexual gratification… if you're “very religious” there's A) no way you can be okay with that and B) shouldn't be accepting of that in a potential or actual partner. Get it together and find someone who shares your values.
Dude, she's going to Australia for 3 weeks with her ex??? Ive been trying to plan a 2 week trip to the area for my son and I and the cheapest I can get it down to is $10,000! Move on, she clearly has.
He is manipulative and controlling. He also has double standards and is a mysoginist. What you are doing is perfectly normal. What he is asking of you is not normal. It is not ok. It will get worse if you stay with him. Dump him now.
girl it sounds like your the side chick. if that’s not the case, honey he doesn’t prioritize you. he sees you as a back-up plan and is using you for sex. break up with him and find better.
Because if were happy and fulfilled with your current life I doubt that you would be so nostalgic and be looking up people from a decade ago. I could be wrong.
So “closure” is BS. I don't believe it exists. Her actions have told you who she is and what she wants. She stayed with BF, she never even told him about you. She's a liar and a coward.
Life sucks sometimes. If you want to keep her on one account – then do it – if you don’t, then don’t. Can you just unfollow her and not block her, maybe? You will do it in your time. Good luck to you.
If you want to keep him, give him a copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary, and instruct him clearly that he must consult it before trying to correct your pronunciation ever again.
Nope, you're not missing anything, and this relationship is almost certainly done. Children are one of those issues where there's no such thing as a compromise – if you don't want them and she does, you're incompatible and you need to let her go find someone who's going to be as ready to be a dad as she's ready to be a mom. It sucks that you wasted more than 4 years because of something that should've been discussed in the first year, but better to find out before one of you ends up extremely resentful.
Before this, was the porn impacting your relationship or sex life in any way? If it wasn't then this is not much of an 'addiction'
I don't begrudge somebody their weird fantasies (absent illegallity or victimization). He doesn't sound like some kind of monster to me. Just a guy who likes weird shit that I don't like.
If this is a deal breaker for you, then it's a deal breaker for you. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. And you don't have to convince yourself he is a deviant to justify not wanting to be with him anymore.
I just don’t vent to my friends who are going through something. If they are and I don’t know about it, they don’t really have to engage at all or just say “sorry x is going on”
We don’t expect immediate replies though, ever. When we text we aren’t carrying on a real-time conversation most of the time, and if we are we can stop replying at any time without notice. It’s just understood that we have other things going on – work, kids, etc. So if I rant at my best friend about something at work it’s totally fine if she replies 8 hours later or the next day or whatever. And unless we have something to say about the situation, we can just reply “that sucks” “oh fuck him”. I mean, we aren’t each other’s therapists.
Yeah give her a chance so she can cheat again while your married. Then it will cost you money to get rid of her.
I really hope @u/amesthrwy see these comments specifically ??
Honestly, bro imo not everything needs to be talked out. Just keep it civil with this guy. He’s laid out the basis for your actual relationship through the wedding invitation. No need to potentially cause arguments or any unnecessary conflict, just keep it stepping.
That is an unfortunate circumstance that has been brought up by others.
Why are you making issues when there isn't any.. Looks to me like you have toxic dating ideals since you expect to her to be obsessed with you and worry about you leaving. You need to leave her alone and go do some serious growing up.
Okay, then does she have to text literally every person she’s close with to send them a detailed explanation of why they’re not doing X or even why they may not be invited at all?
Like if OP agreed to do the party partially thinking she’s in the BP that’s on her, not her friend. Weddings are expensive and take a lot of planning. Trying to include someone in a different time zone over zoom in things constantly is a pain in the ass in an already stressful time, and it makes the events more about the person not there than the bride herself.
OP can feel hurt that’s fine but it would monumentally OTT to be devastated about it.
Normal is a relative term and it isn't something you should be concerned with. What's normal for one couple might not be normal for another.
The thing is that as long as both you and your partner are happy, there isn't really a wrong answer
Sounds like he's looking for a sugar mama…
How well does he contribute financially to the rest of your relationship?
Similar situation, total breadwinner still do more than half of the housework and the outside as well. Kids are grown and wife is a, lets say, a TV fan. The only way I can rationalize it is to think if you are single, and have standards for orderliness, etc., you would be doing it all. Of course with children, it is different and some leeway is in order. You could quit doing your “share” of housework and see what happens and than have the discussion, good luck.
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You have a lot of pain and resentment; and your girlfriend did nothing but love you. She is not the one who rejected you, she is not the one who withheld her affection or sex from you. She is not the one who bullied you.
Yet you are contemplating leaving the only girl who, in your life, has treated you the way you want to be treated, because she didn't suffer the same way that you did. This is not healthy.
Seek professional help before this relationship disintegrates. Go to therapy.
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Thanks. First of all I'm definitely not idolizing my parents or anyone else. It was just to show what the values are I grew up around.
Am I the one who has to grow up because I know that I want a family and the only way to provide stability is with a good job besides being a loving parent? Again: I told her right from the start what I wanted. She wanted to be in a relationship with me but also on-line a life in the future that I consider “The cool aunt life”. She told me she was looking for someone because she felt lonely on her single life in Uni. She doesn't know what she wants to work as later on in life, she doesn't know if she wants children, her studies are one of the worst to actually get a job after Uni and she told me the reason she did them was the foreign semesters. Now I am immature because I stick to my values and she floats between wanting this “suburban” boyfriend with all the benefits like being available and conscientious and a guy who is more “easy living” and finds it okay if she goes abroad and doesn't know if that's the last time she wants to do something like that? To me it sounds like she is the one that has to make up her mind. There is no perfect guy. I think that I am pretty conscientious when it comes to family and trying to have enough time for future children (of course you never know what the future holds). I feel like the guys I know that would be totally 'ok' with their girl doing semesters abroad and not knowing if they would wanna do it again are the same guys that are less strict (for the lack of words) about life anyways. I always hear these girls talking about wanting a guy who is responsible and never finding one and when they do they feel like he is manipulating because responsible dudes are normally more strict about life and expect that from their gf/wife aswell? Sorry for the rant. I believe everyone can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else but you gotta make up your mind sometimes and not blame others if you can't…
Seems very odd that this is only in public and even than sometimes happens and sometimes doesn’t. And she knew it was you. I mean this genuinely – does she have histrionic personality disorder? Borderline? That’s more likely to explain this as opposed to anxiety.
Is it assult if it's consensual?
Even if you didn't have a kid, don't stay man. I'm sorry this happened to you, garbage people will do garbage things.
OP you need to get out of this relationship ASAP.
Even if you didn’t have sex, that no excuse. It’s cheating. Now you need to decide if you want to be with a cheater or someone who actually respects you.
I think she’s lonely and had been for a long time. I think she has been abused (by my dad) for decades and is settling for a lower form of the same treatment…she’s willing to put up with his control in exchange for companionship and some semblance of security
I definitely wouldn’t want her doing that
Yes. I'm trying to figure out how to talk to him without hurting him. I have made subtler efforts in the past which were met with extreme defensiveness and/or anger.
This whole post screamed 'troll' to me…
Yes, if she wants to stay in the relationship she should fix the issue instead of dismissing it. How naked is that to understand. That’s also why i said she should leave first.
He cheated, so yes you should break up
Exactly. I feel like the wedding was the last possible moment that he could have salvaged it. After that it'll be quite naked to fix the relationship. It's like you said she walked down the aisle fatherless.
I know that I was my grandparents first grandchild and at the time my parents and my dad's parents were fully no contact for a litany of reasons. My grandparents tried pulling the same shit getting my aunt to guilt trip my parents. In the end they relented but only after my grandpa showed up on their doorstep to apologize.
Whether he was only apologizing because of me I can't really say whether or not he meant it, but it worked.
They were just as bad if not worse than OPs dad and my parents forgave them. The rest is history. All OPs dad probably* has to do is call his daughter up and give a meaningful apology. If he can't do that and the best he can do is send a sibling then too bad.
I feel like there’s a lot of couples what want another person to do or try something the other person doesn’t want to do/try. That doesn’t make them sexually incompatible that just means they like different things..
I agree with you no one should have to do anything they don’t want to do. That’s why I don’t pressure him to do it or bring it up often. Like I said above it’s only been talked about twice.
What do you mean by “ especially when he doesn’t feel the same way about you”
What masculinity? I don't mean to insult, but all you've posted is what she thinks makes you less; do you feel that these actions are not masculine as well? To your minds eye, what do you do that is masculine? Does she notice or comment on those things?
Either way, she sounds awful.
Make it a clean break. Leave her alone and move on. If she calls you in a month, you can decide what to do when it happens
I blue’d myself
Tell her, you want to play a dating game where you both plan a date for a dollar (long game). Tell her the rules: no outside help, can only use what's in the house, cannot purchase anything the week of the dates, no outside help leading up to the date including the day of etc
Meanwhile, your date idea is: “the sensual chef!” Cooking using the senses, you can be in your birthday suits, candles, monogrammed aprons (sell it), blind folds, etc and work it into teaching her a simple meal, using seduction. I mean turn up the heat. Let your imagination rip and be in over drive. Let her be so turned on that she's begging you to play/plan the sensual chef. The goal is, she will learn how to cook and by the time she catches on, she could be you sous chef.
P.s. don't be a chef be a boyfriend. ( meaning watch the attitude and the pressure. You're not at work. Switch brain)
You will get my honey from bees if you play this correctly. Fingers crossed op. Good luck.
P.s. I read a lot of romance novels sooooo. ? ? ?
Damn reading that just made me sad as hell
They’ve related at least 5 times just saying the word relationship over and over so it has to be some sort of karma troll
I simply disagree. ??♀️
And why are you still in this marriage? How’d he get 4 grand without you noticing from your accounts? Who took him to surgery and who looked after him? Where’s the missing condoms? Just asking again, why is still living with you? Why have you not started a divorce?
I mean, a lot of people cheat with other people who mean nothing to them, so that part really doesn't matter. What matters is how your boyfriend feels about it and whether you'd be ok if he did the same thing.
He's using you for sexual gratification… if you're “very religious” there's A) no way you can be okay with that and B) shouldn't be accepting of that in a potential or actual partner. Get it together and find someone who shares your values.
Definitely not true. Only a small fraction do. But they are the loud narcissists so your going to remember them better.
Hopefully not TikTok
Dude, she's going to Australia for 3 weeks with her ex??? Ive been trying to plan a 2 week trip to the area for my son and I and the cheapest I can get it down to is $10,000! Move on, she clearly has.
He is manipulative and controlling. He also has double standards and is a mysoginist. What you are doing is perfectly normal. What he is asking of you is not normal. It is not ok. It will get worse if you stay with him. Dump him now.
Lmao yes you have.
You can’t bring it up AGAIN without being completely annoying.
You asked & he said no. His response was reasonable. Now, you get to respect that no means no.
Find another friend for your tat chat. You don’t actually need “support.”
Don’t ever see her again.
girl it sounds like your the side chick. if that’s not the case, honey he doesn’t prioritize you. he sees you as a back-up plan and is using you for sex. break up with him and find better.
Offer the paternity test off the bat. You can do one while pregnant, it’s totally safe.
Because if were happy and fulfilled with your current life I doubt that you would be so nostalgic and be looking up people from a decade ago. I could be wrong.
So “closure” is BS. I don't believe it exists. Her actions have told you who she is and what she wants. She stayed with BF, she never even told him about you. She's a liar and a coward.
You did the right thing.
Little bit of a jump there.
Life sucks sometimes. If you want to keep her on one account – then do it – if you don’t, then don’t. Can you just unfollow her and not block her, maybe? You will do it in your time. Good luck to you.
Stop watching porn and only masturbate to photos of her
She’s allowed a past
Break up with her. you will never trust her anyway. Let her deal with the consequences and be with someone honest and truthful not a cheater.
I took that to mean so that they won’t notice anything in the car. You know, since he’s bringing women into it and having sex in it.
If you want to keep him, give him a copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary, and instruct him clearly that he must consult it before trying to correct your pronunciation ever again.
Yeah sex can be a killer workout sometimes haha even if you’re not on top ?
And just getting a job in Canada with no license, coming from some other country. There's a reason that your Uber driver used to be a cardiologist.
That’s just your brain drinking your body’s stupid juice.
God, my brain gets absolutely crunked on my body's stupid juice
Nope, you're not missing anything, and this relationship is almost certainly done. Children are one of those issues where there's no such thing as a compromise – if you don't want them and she does, you're incompatible and you need to let her go find someone who's going to be as ready to be a dad as she's ready to be a mom. It sucks that you wasted more than 4 years because of something that should've been discussed in the first year, but better to find out before one of you ends up extremely resentful.
LOL…..Maybe….though hopefully the 5X a week I already do is sufficient? Maybe that why I don't want to move furniture.
And he needs to learn appropriate ways to respond to people…
Before this, was the porn impacting your relationship or sex life in any way? If it wasn't then this is not much of an 'addiction'
I don't begrudge somebody their weird fantasies (absent illegallity or victimization). He doesn't sound like some kind of monster to me. Just a guy who likes weird shit that I don't like.
If this is a deal breaker for you, then it's a deal breaker for you. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. And you don't have to convince yourself he is a deviant to justify not wanting to be with him anymore.
Hoes be hoein, be thankful that you are out of the relationship.
I just don’t vent to my friends who are going through something. If they are and I don’t know about it, they don’t really have to engage at all or just say “sorry x is going on”
We don’t expect immediate replies though, ever. When we text we aren’t carrying on a real-time conversation most of the time, and if we are we can stop replying at any time without notice. It’s just understood that we have other things going on – work, kids, etc. So if I rant at my best friend about something at work it’s totally fine if she replies 8 hours later or the next day or whatever. And unless we have something to say about the situation, we can just reply “that sucks” “oh fuck him”. I mean, we aren’t each other’s therapists.