I made it clear from the beginning maybe 7 days knowing him I didn’t want to go forward if that was something he did interested in no big deal no nude feeling and what ptsd I had from it before, I have gone to therapy and I’ve also been in relationship after that respected my boundary but didn’t work out so now I’m stuck feeling like he’s sneaky and a liar he could of been straight up from the beginning and I could of gone and found some one who respected me
I feel like you must be projecting some personal misgiving or bias onto this, as this seems like a really weird take on its face. I mean, an argument was had, apologies were offered and accepted, and yet the father has proceeded to banish the son on law for two years now, wanting him to humbly “ask” aka beg for an invitation to a family Xmas gathering. No part of that is acting like a “man” in the sense that you seem to imply. It's not acting like a woman either, nor an emotionally mature adult of any variety. It's strange, petty and vindictive behaviour which is causing issues for his family.
Perhaps he is justified in disapproving of his daughter's choice in husband. I'm sure that's not an unusual situation. But it is his daughter's choice – not his. His choice is to not accept that, act childish and swing his dick around a bit to assert some misguided notion of power. Kind of pathetic.
And three 12 shifts in a row over the weekend is not an easy gig at all, wtf.
I think the Essex thing is because she had an ex from there and it’s set her against the place? But she doesn’t want to know that Bob isn’t a fan of Essex and moved away the second he could (we don’t online anywhere near there now) it’s just become another stick to beat him with I think… I think at this rate he couldn’t do anything right?
I mean, yeah. Assuming that's actually what happened you're describing her being a good person. Seems like that's something you should welcome and celebrate.
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If you bump into someone on the side walk do you say “fuck you”(just using the term for the situation) because you just got off work and you're tired? Or do you still say “oh sorry about that”
I just pointed out he shouldn't have gotten upset.
A woman(the supposed love of your life) greets you with tits out and you get mad? No, you tell her respectfully “baby I'm tired, I only want to relax today.”
Is that common courtesy difficult? It shouldn't be. A person snapping at their SO for initiating affection isn't right.
Of course she would be insecure NOW, her self esteem just got trashed.
What part was manipulating? The titles? Or the crying? Because news flash people cry when their feelings get hurt and trust me she didn't start crying to get sex so that wasn't being manipulative, as soon as the tears come all sex is out the window(not talking to you CNC people).
What she did do wrong was ask “why don't you want have sex with me?!” OP rejected and thats that.
To my knowledge she has not gone to my home when I am not there. Then again, there is no way to prove she hasn't, either. My stepfather works from home so most of the time when I am in class, he is at home. I guess I could try stopping home before or after class on a few random days.
i do this every now and then out of pure curiosity. i don’t want to get back together with them it’s just that i want to know what they’re doing. if he was messaging his ex that would be a whole different thing, but just looking her up on instagram is very innocent and you shouldn’t be worried. have you never looked up your own ex on insta?
He should have IMMEDIATELY moved money from his single accr to the joint acct to cover the wifi. end of story
He broke ALL of your agreed upon rules. Instead he spends more joint acct money on a”gift” (in parentheses because if you paid for it; it ain't a gift) once again ignoring ALL THE RULES about the JOINT money. So literally no consequences for his “crimes”.
He is not treating you as an equal partner. Equal partners discuss grievances and spending. Adults acknowledge they made a mistake and correct themselves. This boy did neither.
If you still are unsure- think about if this had happened to someone you love, what would you tell them? Or imagine he spent $120 put the joint acct to buy himself a dinner while you were napping….is that okay? No. There wasn't an emergency, he is just selfish and immature
These TikTok or wherever the hell you got it from “games” are obnoxious. As the guy who gets asked these, I now intentionally respond with offensive answers.
For your scenario I’d answer that adult humans can self-extricate while animals may not be able to. And then over night allergy? Sure. I’d get a hypoallergenic one.
You didn’t cheat and feel bad for enjoying the attention… but nothing good comes from telling your husband about it. Why plant a seed of doubt in his mind?
Is your uncle, another family member or a friend able to come pick you up? Unless he has you chained to his steering wheel there’s nothing he can do to stop you from leaving.
Is it really that or are your beard irritating her skin and making her feel pain too ? Do you groom your beard well enough ? Do you use products so it won't hurt her skin ?
I have a close friend, pretty much someone I look up to in some aspects. But they are the same age and both male. Two very different people and mindsets. He’s 29, and he goes to club every weekend, even while he himself was a relationship and his girlfriend never came with him. Actually only once. And he has agreed with me that he finds it weird/stupid that my boyfriend wants to police or guilt trip me to staying home just because im going out every Friday or Saturday night whatever it be. And this friend of mine will call me out on my bullshit whenever I am speaking about bullshit, but in this situation he agrees with me.
Now, I’m well aware that that I am not male and society sees it’s very different when a female who is in a relationship goes to the club vs if it’s a male. People think it as if I’m wanting attention from males? So then technically I would be seeking males attentions in any situation that I am, I actually look very different from the people of Romania obviously. People see me as a caramel, mocha young woman with an Afro and a big ass, and my sense of fashion is very different. I cannot do anything about that. People believing that my intentions are one thing but it’s something else, isn’t exactly my problem. That’s their biased against me, and all I could do is shake my head due to their ignorance
I have spoken to her on the phone and we’ve seen each others pictures. Honestly she seems like a nice person. He has offered her to stay at our home for three months because that’s the easier and cheaper way. I mean is he supposed to put her in a hotel for three months? Who has that kind of money? She will be sleeping in a guest room.
They’re relationship back in Africa was not romantic only friendship. She used to work in the hotel he stayed at and they have only been friends. That’s what he tells me at least, so I really don’t know anything other than that. Besides I try to trust him. And also he has been very open about this visit so I feel like that also should make me trust him a bit more. He hasn’t been secretive about talking to her or wanting her to visit etc etc. that’s why I’m a bit confused.
He didn’t spring it on me. He sort of casually told me that he is thinking about having her over to visit us after he spoke to her on the phone one day. It wasn’t like he just demanded it. I could have said my piece there and then since he was considering it, but I went along with it and said okay because he was just considering it. It wasn’t as if he asked me straight out that he wants her over for three months while I’m gone and how do I feel about it etc etc. I feel like he’s included me in his thoughts process every time. He speaks of the visa process openly and asks me for help when there are things with the applications he doesn’t understand etc. so it’s not like he’s secretive about it and I could have always spoken my mind. But I feel like it would be fu*ked up of me to plainly say no when I really don’t have a reason to yet and that I should issue some trust on his behalf.
She needs to figure out why she's sexualizing caregiving. Say, in her elderly years, she becomes dependent on adult diapers and needing her spouse or family member to change them. Is she going to decline and sit in dirty diapers until she passes away? She's clearly incredibly immature and is projecting her sick mindset onto you and your father. Her reaction is not in any way, shape, or form normal. I wouldn't reach out to her anymore unless it's to return belongings of hers you may have. Yes, she's young and still has growing to do but you don't deserve to have to wait around for that to happen, if it even does.
Your sister is incredibly blessed to have such a loving and caring family to keep her healthy and happy. If anyone you come across, friend or romantic, sexualizes that, they are not worth your time.
At 23, your bf is likely not quite “wise to the ways of the bedroom.” He may be stuck with this porno idea that women just like to be penetrated then he cums and yay sex! So fun! smh
You may need to teach him, gently, how to please a woman. Show him what you like, what gets you off. Use toys, whatever. He needs to learn that what makes him a good partner is making sure you are satisfied.
What more does she want? If hours and hours of talking and clearing the air aren't enough, what else are you supposed to do here?
I can understand why she was vexxed in the moment, lots of people would be. But considering you back-pedalled it… cleared it yet it became an issue again and again and again…
To be honest, there comes a point where you're going to have to ask yourself if you can be bothered with what is now becoming a protracted drama show.
Also, when you cried and she went off about you “making it about you” who the fuck else should it be about. You made it about her multiple times, it was her choice to buy flowers, chocs etc… and then get pissed off about it. You were worried about your dog and the state of the relationship… for one sentence. Sure, not a good sentence but how long of a sentence should you now spend in her bad books unsure if you're still going to have a relationship.
There comes a time where the other person is fucking up and you should be the one who's pissed. It sounds like that time passed a while back.
What exactly does this guy bring to the table? This sub is full of people who took on “project” boyfriends. Years later they're stuck. Hate to be blunt here but this guy needs to get his life together before you carry on in a relationship.
I don’t no, it sounds like he picked an absolutely hideous ring, like something a 14 year old making up a romantic story with no sense of what would look nice would describe.
I've become good friends with a couple of my current boyfriends friends. But I also have a few good friends in that group that I know would choose me over my ex. But still it's very frowned upon in our group to not just invite everyone, so even they would still invite my ex.
And if you read the post, you'll see that I learned about him cheating a few years after we broke up. So we already told everyone a few years ago that we just went our seperate ways without issues. So the only way it will “come up” is if people start noticing my sudden hostility towards him, but I try to be civil to him when around friends cause I don't want to cause drama, so that's not very likely.
I have thought about relocating. It’s not something that will happen tomorrow and potentially leaves me in a spot to be manipulated by her old self once I have more money lol..
Yes, hold him at arms length for as long as you need. If he's truly sorry, he'll try to make it up to you over time. You can then judge how sincere you think he is and whether you want to be friends again.
What he did in excluding you was really awful. IMO, he needs to regain your trust – it's not just an apology and forgotten thing.
I wish I had all the proof over the years because it’s sickening. I’ve changed my number twice for other reasons and she has still reached out. I’ve blocked her and let her know. I’m pregnant and her popping up creeps me the fuck out
It was his decision to cut off his friends. I find it pretty dysfunctional that he handled the situation that way. He’s unreasonable and there’s really nothing you can do about that.
It’s perfectly normal to be attracted to someone other than your SO. Just remember you know next to nothing about this guy- it’s easy to over-optimize what a person is like with a limited knowledge of them.
Just avoid situations where you can get yourself in trouble (like drinking alone,etc)
Do you think she'd be ok if you sucked another woman's nipple? Probably not? Pretty sure (unless you are a baby ofc), sucking on other people's nipples is considered a sexual act. I'd never even consider including it on my list of boundaries because it seems so obviously wrong.
3 weeks is not a long time, but then again.. the first thing I do when seriously considering a relationship is to ask if they are still in contact with any exes. If they are then i ask them if they would be willing to cut contact with the ex if we become official. I don't want to be controlling, but i also know that i just do NOT want the headache that comes with exes. I want them gone if I'm a relationship, simple as that. But again that's something i do just before or on the day where we discuss other boundaries so it's not something I'm forcing on a partner down the road
It feels like I failed as a wife and don’t deserve anything due to it. Making the victim feel guilty
He also knows I suffer from extreme bouts of depression
Manipulators will target your weakest points
he expects everything spotless
1950s mentality.
this relationship will become transactional. I feel backed into a corner that if I don’t clean to his standards I don’t deserve a hug or a kiss or a date or any form of non platonic interaction
Emotional manipulation
I felt this way and he said he can’t make me feel better or be in a better mood if things aren’t as what he said. It’s making me horribly depressed.
Mental manipulation
I also can’t wrap my head around how not having a 100% spotless home 24.7 can relate to such a withdrawal in his affection for me. I just don’t get it
Gaslighting
OP, find a woman's group to help you escape.
Get a side job and hide all that money. You're going to need it when you run. Do you have friends or relatives you can online with for a while? Has he socially isolated you yet?
If you both have to communicate issues in your relationship through texts you already had issues in this relationship long before it degraded to where it is now.
He is engaging in emotional abuse. Affection shouldn't be a reward for doing what he wants. He also should be able to ask you for tasks around the house without being manipulative about it.
….you broke up 8 months ago, you need to move on
Good for you OP ??
I made it clear from the beginning maybe 7 days knowing him I didn’t want to go forward if that was something he did interested in no big deal no nude feeling and what ptsd I had from it before, I have gone to therapy and I’ve also been in relationship after that respected my boundary but didn’t work out so now I’m stuck feeling like he’s sneaky and a liar he could of been straight up from the beginning and I could of gone and found some one who respected me
I'm confused. Who is Ben10 cause I'm thinking about the kid's cartoon show.
This didn’t even cross my mind until I read your comment. I trusted him to be loyal seen as he’s been cheated on twice….
Then I wouldn't be worried. But put boundaries in place if you want to.
Since you guys started dating have you ever once flirted or used your feminine charms on another man?
She gets handsy feely when drunk. Ask her to ease up on the booze next time.
Delete it right now. It is both illegal to send it and posses it. Many people are pointing out it can be a scam as well. Delete and block.
I feel like you must be projecting some personal misgiving or bias onto this, as this seems like a really weird take on its face. I mean, an argument was had, apologies were offered and accepted, and yet the father has proceeded to banish the son on law for two years now, wanting him to humbly “ask” aka beg for an invitation to a family Xmas gathering. No part of that is acting like a “man” in the sense that you seem to imply. It's not acting like a woman either, nor an emotionally mature adult of any variety. It's strange, petty and vindictive behaviour which is causing issues for his family.
Perhaps he is justified in disapproving of his daughter's choice in husband. I'm sure that's not an unusual situation. But it is his daughter's choice – not his. His choice is to not accept that, act childish and swing his dick around a bit to assert some misguided notion of power. Kind of pathetic.
And three 12 shifts in a row over the weekend is not an easy gig at all, wtf.
I think the Essex thing is because she had an ex from there and it’s set her against the place? But she doesn’t want to know that Bob isn’t a fan of Essex and moved away the second he could (we don’t online anywhere near there now) it’s just become another stick to beat him with I think… I think at this rate he couldn’t do anything right?
You’re a smarmy ass, leave her so we can be with someone who cares.
I mean, yeah. Assuming that's actually what happened you're describing her being a good person. Seems like that's something you should welcome and celebrate.
Thanks for the recommendation!
You need some psychiatric help
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If you bump into someone on the side walk do you say “fuck you”(just using the term for the situation) because you just got off work and you're tired? Or do you still say “oh sorry about that”
I just pointed out he shouldn't have gotten upset.
A woman(the supposed love of your life) greets you with tits out and you get mad? No, you tell her respectfully “baby I'm tired, I only want to relax today.”
Is that common courtesy difficult? It shouldn't be. A person snapping at their SO for initiating affection isn't right.
Of course she would be insecure NOW, her self esteem just got trashed.
What part was manipulating? The titles? Or the crying? Because news flash people cry when their feelings get hurt and trust me she didn't start crying to get sex so that wasn't being manipulative, as soon as the tears come all sex is out the window(not talking to you CNC people).
What she did do wrong was ask “why don't you want have sex with me?!” OP rejected and thats that.
To my knowledge she has not gone to my home when I am not there. Then again, there is no way to prove she hasn't, either. My stepfather works from home so most of the time when I am in class, he is at home. I guess I could try stopping home before or after class on a few random days.
i do this every now and then out of pure curiosity. i don’t want to get back together with them it’s just that i want to know what they’re doing. if he was messaging his ex that would be a whole different thing, but just looking her up on instagram is very innocent and you shouldn’t be worried. have you never looked up your own ex on insta?
Sweetie, for every guy who doesn’t care about your needs in sex, there’s another who will go above and beyond.
This guy doesn’t give AF about you
This is what you wanted. Remember? You can't get butt hurt because she is doing what you asked
You are not overreacting; you are under reacting
He should have IMMEDIATELY moved money from his single accr to the joint acct to cover the wifi. end of story
He broke ALL of your agreed upon rules. Instead he spends more joint acct money on a”gift” (in parentheses because if you paid for it; it ain't a gift) once again ignoring ALL THE RULES about the JOINT money. So literally no consequences for his “crimes”.
He is not treating you as an equal partner. Equal partners discuss grievances and spending. Adults acknowledge they made a mistake and correct themselves. This boy did neither.
If you still are unsure- think about if this had happened to someone you love, what would you tell them? Or imagine he spent $120 put the joint acct to buy himself a dinner while you were napping….is that okay? No. There wasn't an emergency, he is just selfish and immature
Please leave. You deserve so much more than this.
These TikTok or wherever the hell you got it from “games” are obnoxious. As the guy who gets asked these, I now intentionally respond with offensive answers.
For your scenario I’d answer that adult humans can self-extricate while animals may not be able to. And then over night allergy? Sure. I’d get a hypoallergenic one.
I’d be irritated if I was him.
You didn’t cheat and feel bad for enjoying the attention… but nothing good comes from telling your husband about it. Why plant a seed of doubt in his mind?
Is your uncle, another family member or a friend able to come pick you up? Unless he has you chained to his steering wheel there’s nothing he can do to stop you from leaving.
Is it really that or are your beard irritating her skin and making her feel pain too ? Do you groom your beard well enough ? Do you use products so it won't hurt her skin ?
Dad paid for the affair baby's college tuition while making OP figure out how to fund their college alone. That's is very rarely an isolated incident.
I have a close friend, pretty much someone I look up to in some aspects. But they are the same age and both male. Two very different people and mindsets. He’s 29, and he goes to club every weekend, even while he himself was a relationship and his girlfriend never came with him. Actually only once. And he has agreed with me that he finds it weird/stupid that my boyfriend wants to police or guilt trip me to staying home just because im going out every Friday or Saturday night whatever it be. And this friend of mine will call me out on my bullshit whenever I am speaking about bullshit, but in this situation he agrees with me.
Now, I’m well aware that that I am not male and society sees it’s very different when a female who is in a relationship goes to the club vs if it’s a male. People think it as if I’m wanting attention from males? So then technically I would be seeking males attentions in any situation that I am, I actually look very different from the people of Romania obviously. People see me as a caramel, mocha young woman with an Afro and a big ass, and my sense of fashion is very different. I cannot do anything about that. People believing that my intentions are one thing but it’s something else, isn’t exactly my problem. That’s their biased against me, and all I could do is shake my head due to their ignorance
I have spoken to her on the phone and we’ve seen each others pictures. Honestly she seems like a nice person. He has offered her to stay at our home for three months because that’s the easier and cheaper way. I mean is he supposed to put her in a hotel for three months? Who has that kind of money? She will be sleeping in a guest room.
They’re relationship back in Africa was not romantic only friendship. She used to work in the hotel he stayed at and they have only been friends. That’s what he tells me at least, so I really don’t know anything other than that. Besides I try to trust him. And also he has been very open about this visit so I feel like that also should make me trust him a bit more. He hasn’t been secretive about talking to her or wanting her to visit etc etc. that’s why I’m a bit confused.
He didn’t spring it on me. He sort of casually told me that he is thinking about having her over to visit us after he spoke to her on the phone one day. It wasn’t like he just demanded it. I could have said my piece there and then since he was considering it, but I went along with it and said okay because he was just considering it. It wasn’t as if he asked me straight out that he wants her over for three months while I’m gone and how do I feel about it etc etc. I feel like he’s included me in his thoughts process every time. He speaks of the visa process openly and asks me for help when there are things with the applications he doesn’t understand etc. so it’s not like he’s secretive about it and I could have always spoken my mind. But I feel like it would be fu*ked up of me to plainly say no when I really don’t have a reason to yet and that I should issue some trust on his behalf.
She needs to figure out why she's sexualizing caregiving. Say, in her elderly years, she becomes dependent on adult diapers and needing her spouse or family member to change them. Is she going to decline and sit in dirty diapers until she passes away? She's clearly incredibly immature and is projecting her sick mindset onto you and your father. Her reaction is not in any way, shape, or form normal. I wouldn't reach out to her anymore unless it's to return belongings of hers you may have. Yes, she's young and still has growing to do but you don't deserve to have to wait around for that to happen, if it even does.
Your sister is incredibly blessed to have such a loving and caring family to keep her healthy and happy. If anyone you come across, friend or romantic, sexualizes that, they are not worth your time.
At 23, your bf is likely not quite “wise to the ways of the bedroom.” He may be stuck with this porno idea that women just like to be penetrated then he cums and yay sex! So fun! smh
You may need to teach him, gently, how to please a woman. Show him what you like, what gets you off. Use toys, whatever. He needs to learn that what makes him a good partner is making sure you are satisfied.
You're awful. You would have given your SIX YEAR OLD daughter up for adoption but decided not to so some dude would think you're a good mom?
YOU'RE AWFUL.
AWFUL.
What more does she want? If hours and hours of talking and clearing the air aren't enough, what else are you supposed to do here?
I can understand why she was vexxed in the moment, lots of people would be. But considering you back-pedalled it… cleared it yet it became an issue again and again and again…
To be honest, there comes a point where you're going to have to ask yourself if you can be bothered with what is now becoming a protracted drama show.
Also, when you cried and she went off about you “making it about you” who the fuck else should it be about. You made it about her multiple times, it was her choice to buy flowers, chocs etc… and then get pissed off about it. You were worried about your dog and the state of the relationship… for one sentence. Sure, not a good sentence but how long of a sentence should you now spend in her bad books unsure if you're still going to have a relationship.
There comes a time where the other person is fucking up and you should be the one who's pissed. It sounds like that time passed a while back.
What exactly does this guy bring to the table? This sub is full of people who took on “project” boyfriends. Years later they're stuck. Hate to be blunt here but this guy needs to get his life together before you carry on in a relationship.
All of them. Watch out in 2024, it's gonna be so shitty.
I don’t no, it sounds like he picked an absolutely hideous ring, like something a 14 year old making up a romantic story with no sense of what would look nice would describe.
Surprise surprise people can be arseholes regardless of their ‘scene’ or politics viewpoints.
Who would have guessed!
Chasu pork in ramen and pork cutlet on a rice bowl are two dishes I give in to pork. Otherwise, I also watch pork with restrained desire.
I've become good friends with a couple of my current boyfriends friends. But I also have a few good friends in that group that I know would choose me over my ex. But still it's very frowned upon in our group to not just invite everyone, so even they would still invite my ex.
And if you read the post, you'll see that I learned about him cheating a few years after we broke up. So we already told everyone a few years ago that we just went our seperate ways without issues. So the only way it will “come up” is if people start noticing my sudden hostility towards him, but I try to be civil to him when around friends cause I don't want to cause drama, so that's not very likely.
I have thought about relocating. It’s not something that will happen tomorrow and potentially leaves me in a spot to be manipulated by her old self once I have more money lol..
You're probably exactly right.
Yes, hold him at arms length for as long as you need. If he's truly sorry, he'll try to make it up to you over time. You can then judge how sincere you think he is and whether you want to be friends again.
What he did in excluding you was really awful. IMO, he needs to regain your trust – it's not just an apology and forgotten thing.
I wish I had all the proof over the years because it’s sickening. I’ve changed my number twice for other reasons and she has still reached out. I’ve blocked her and let her know. I’m pregnant and her popping up creeps me the fuck out
It was his decision to cut off his friends. I find it pretty dysfunctional that he handled the situation that way. He’s unreasonable and there’s really nothing you can do about that.
Lol, really, i am serious dude
It’s perfectly normal to be attracted to someone other than your SO. Just remember you know next to nothing about this guy- it’s easy to over-optimize what a person is like with a limited knowledge of them.
Just avoid situations where you can get yourself in trouble (like drinking alone,etc)
Forgot to switch accounts?
Time to start licking that clam dawg
Do you think she'd be ok if you sucked another woman's nipple? Probably not? Pretty sure (unless you are a baby ofc), sucking on other people's nipples is considered a sexual act. I'd never even consider including it on my list of boundaries because it seems so obviously wrong.
3 weeks is not a long time, but then again.. the first thing I do when seriously considering a relationship is to ask if they are still in contact with any exes. If they are then i ask them if they would be willing to cut contact with the ex if we become official. I don't want to be controlling, but i also know that i just do NOT want the headache that comes with exes. I want them gone if I'm a relationship, simple as that. But again that's something i do just before or on the day where we discuss other boundaries so it's not something I'm forcing on a partner down the road
he had stopped giving me compliments
Emotional manipulation
It feels like I failed as a wife and don’t deserve anything due to it. Making the victim feel guilty
He also knows I suffer from extreme bouts of depression
Manipulators will target your weakest points
he expects everything spotless
1950s mentality.
this relationship will become transactional. I feel backed into a corner that if I don’t clean to his standards I don’t deserve a hug or a kiss or a date or any form of non platonic interaction
Emotional manipulation
I felt this way and he said he can’t make me feel better or be in a better mood if things aren’t as what he said. It’s making me horribly depressed.
Mental manipulation
I also can’t wrap my head around how not having a 100% spotless home 24.7 can relate to such a withdrawal in his affection for me. I just don’t get it
Gaslighting
OP, find a woman's group to help you escape.
Get a side job and hide all that money. You're going to need it when you run. Do you have friends or relatives you can online with for a while? Has he socially isolated you yet?
If you both have to communicate issues in your relationship through texts you already had issues in this relationship long before it degraded to where it is now.
He is engaging in emotional abuse. Affection shouldn't be a reward for doing what he wants. He also should be able to ask you for tasks around the house without being manipulative about it.