I'm glad to hear you say that. You need to steel yourself & get a plan to get away. Look online about tips on how to leave an abusive boyfriend.
There are good guidelines. You don't want your death to come out of you trying to respectfully break up with him. Find out what the science says and execute that plan.
He may care, but some people suck at showing they are interested and concerned, and it can be really hard to help them see outside of that. I think you should talk to him about it and let him know that it feels like a relationship ender. Maybe he'll surprise you, but be aware it is likely to happen over and over. I know from experience.
Thank you for the comment, your question about him putting in effort to change when he couldn’t even drive 45 minutes is something I’ve never considered. But it’s 100% true. I appreciate the honesty 🙂
It is. Go read there other post. They gave reasons and they refuse to listen or take any accountability. At the end their daughter did the right thing and should keep it that way not to listen to their own son.
why do you assume the housework has to be done in the daytime? Your wife is busy supervising the 2 yo in the daytime. Why don't you observe and make notes for yourself on what time your wife gets out of bed, how much time she spends with the children/breakfast/dressing children/organizing older child for school/making school lunches/getting older child to school/washing dishes in the morning, most of which has to be done before your official work day even begins. Look at how many hours are spent just on that stuff in the morning. Deduct that from her 8 hour work schedule. Now observe how much time she spends overseeing the 2 yo after the eldest child goes to school. Remember, she can't just leave the 2 yo on its own, she has to keep an eye on that youngster, and this makes it hard to do household chores. Deduct that from her 8 hour work schedule. Please calculate when your wife reaches 8 hours of work as SAHP and post it on Reddit. Then let us know how you and your wife are going to split the chores and child care for the rest of the day, once you have both 'worked' 8 hours at home.
Have your own family party & sleepover with your kids and new baby mom. If you mom did that in front of family and has no remorse and even made comments after then you already know deep down she will do it again. Tell your kids you're starting a new family tradition this year. Play games, make home made pizza make popcorn and watch movies. OR tell your mom she is not allowed to say anything demeaning or disrespectful in front of your kids if she does you will be leaving right away and she will have to earn her privileges back of seeing you or any of your kids.
Yup 2 brunette parents, one with hazel eyes, one with light brown. 2 kids are blonde, one with blue eyes, one with dark brown and 1 kid is a redhead with blue eyes.
Forget about apologies. One is generally considered sufficient, just so you know. But saying “sorry” is the easiest thing in the world to do and is virtually meaningless in and of itself.
If your concern really is safety, rather than him showing contrition, than tell him simply and directly that you will not be getting in a car with him behind the wheel if he ever does that again. Period.
Sounds like you’re clinging to the next person who treats you right. You’re not compatible at all. You’ll cling to the next one. Find an atheist or someone not into God.
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Cool so that's probably bed time unless he's graveyard. He's either waking up soon or getting off work in a few hours, at which point it's probably going to be bed time. I'd say give him a break
There's also the possibility he typed his number in wrong, or maybe he just lost interest. Time will tell
You deserve more than trickle truth. Find someone who is less prone to “accidents” It was his choices he made leading up to this. Find someone that puts more value in their decision to be with you
If it’s not an innate thing for you, which is totally fine, can you find some reminders like tie a string to your finger so any time you remember/realize you’re wearing it you go out of your way to find him and hug/kiss him and verbally tell him how much you love and appreciate him?
Eventually you’ll build the muscle memory and habit that you don’t need reminders and will be able to do it on your own.
Typing this out also reminded me of another post from another couple that was not great at communicating their affection and they could something like a triple squeeze for “I love you” and the other person was suddenly able to express it all the time, little squeezes on her hand, thigh, back, butt, whatever and it helped her realize he was saying I love you all the time, she just wasn’t hearing it the way he was trying to show her.
Love bombing is a red flag…. so he's trying to manipulate you by giving you gifts constantly? He's trying to buy your love, he hopes that you're inexperienced/naive enough to not realise it, and to ignore the red flags.
He did say he had a rough past but it’s related to family issues.
So how comes he's not in therapy, working on himself, and dating people his age? Why be involved with a naive teenager?
You are probably right, he is being unreasonable. I would never ask him to change anything for me, and neither should he. But I really love him, and I hoped this could work. Especially when most of his demands are considered quite normal in this kind of situations where we online. I'll talk to him again about this, hope to find some way to reason him about this.
This was my exact thought. Being bi is not a license to have both at all times during a monogamous relationship. This would worry me. Not that you are not enough but maybe you don’t have there right equipment to make him happy. Is he really gay and trying to soften the blow by claiming bi?
Its only been 4 months, break up with him. Why in the hell would you stay with him and sleep with other people when you could just break up with him and be free to do what you want? I truly don’t understand modern relationships.
You need to communicate your feelings on this to him. If he is a decent human, he won't want to continue having sex with someone who isn't enjoying themselves.
That said, shame on you for not speaking up sooner.
What is the explanation she gives for not coming home? You doing the pick me dance is not going to change things. Are you living in a no-fault state? It is time to speak to a lawyer to get advice on how to move forward. You need to protect the interests of you and your newly born.
I get that she's upset and not thinking clearly… but it's wild she did this to a guy she was engaged to. And even wilder that she's acting confused about it.
She was upset and the first thing she did was to cheat on you. She unilaterally decided that she may not stay with you, then kissed another guy, then came back to you.
This is just the beginning, she'll do something stupid everytime you guys have a fight. Now you decide you want to stay in this loop or move on. Relationship is the last thing that she needs right now, sounds like she needs to work on herself a lot before getting into a new relationship and you my friend need a backbone to not let anyone walk over you.
You sound like a fear-mongering over excited issue seeker. Your keyword is potentially. Him and the woman are both just as guilty and they are being judged by me for the past 5 years nothing else. Please take your hype fear mongering and rape hype elsewhere
You should never overlook this, it can break the condom (many oils and lotions can) and can give you an infection. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, even if he’s convinced of the contrary.
If he claims it’s not so different from regular lube, then there should be no problem with you holding off on sex until there is regular lube in the picture.
It’s not a mistake, it’s ignorance and/or stubborness.
Dude. It's okay for her to privately grieve a relationship. She had a life before you. She has feelings about that life. Welcome to people. Caring that he got a GF isn't like saying she's planning on leaving you for him.
Sure, it'd have been tactless for her to cry on your shoulder about it.
But she didn't. You invaded her privacy. And now you know shit that you wouldn't have had to worry about otherwise. Instant karma.
I’m very curious if he similarly acts out about negative situations or conflict when in the presence of anybody else. If the answer is no, keep in mind that he is not out of control, because he only acts like this with you there and alone and in danger.
Not sure what his intentions are, but I bet $ she's going to make a play for him. Keep your eyes and ears open. If he's carrying a torch for her, she may take advantage.
FWIW, closure is a myth. He isn't going to find closure by meeting with her. She's a cheater. Cheaters don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. They don't deal in closure. They deal in manipulation.
Sad thing is that even if OP changes her mind and “lets” this guy have a relationship with this other person, he’s likely already done some irreparable damage.
She was fully aware of what she was doing. Don't feel bad.
She refused said she already has enough therapy.
This is a paradox. If she had, she wouldn't say no to more.
Anyway, I was worried about her but she refused to talk to me. Wouldn't answer calls or texts. I figured it was just over now and I need to leave her alone.
Nope she was creating a scene, such that you would get worried.
The next morning I get a text from her asking me to come get my stuff I had left there. I told her just throw it all out.
And you nearly dodged the bullet.
She basically said please just come get your stuff I don't want to look at it anymore either. And she said this will be the last time we will see each other so let's say goodbye.
And the bait and switch.
I saw her sitting on the kitchen floor just crying. I sat next to her for a while not saying anything. She kinda made a move where she moved away from me a few inches. I looked at her and said “I should probably go, huh?” She nodded her head. I got up and as I was leaving I just said to her “I just wished you didn't think I was a horrible person”. She started yelling from the floor about how she did nothing wrong and what not.
Fantastic theatrics, she's had practice. Only she failed to get you to embrace her.
she called me. She was upset that I didn't want to talk
What was with all the theatrics then, if not just emotional manipulation. She had plenty of time to speak “but look how badly she's taking it”
Next time you feel bad, just remember that's how much she manipulated you.
I think she was coerced into doing something she wouldn’t normally do. I see this as a form of sexual manipulation or sexual assault. This man used his friendship to get hard pictures of the wife. That’s what happened.
I feel really badly for her.
OP, INFO?
Did she sign any consent forms? What do they say? Does he own the images??
Tell her when she wakes up, you are going to a strip club tonight and suck on a female stripper’s nipple. Note her reaction. Is it resignation, knowing she did the same thing. Does she protest? Does she say “okay, have fun?” Does she apologize and ask you not to do that, that she was wrong? Cheating is whatever you believe it to be. IMO, while I wouldn’t consider it cheating, if it becomes a regular thing to go to strip clubs, I would consider that a big problem. Just tell her if it happens again, there will be consequences
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I am in utter disbelief right now. This man does not trust me at ALL. Mind you I have not done anything remotely questionable to make him doubt me at all. He assumes when I’m on my phone tilting it to the left I’m hiding something when that’s not the case. He’s gone through my phone twice and went through personal messages between me and a close friend. Adding to that he’s went through my laptop and then didn’t even tell me until it was convenient for him to ask me a question so he could catch me in a lie. I could go on and on and he questions me in why I get defensive, but it is so irritating to be with someone who does not trust you AT ALL. I get questioned for everything. Two weeks ago he came into the apartment and we usually make our own little personal pies for dinner. I usually eat almost my entire pizza alone, usually only leaving one slice. Mind you I was home not only 30 minutes before he got home. He accused me of having someone over because and I quote “I never finish my pizza” he assumed I had someone come over in the span of his 30 minute commute and shared my last little slice. I believe we all have some form of trust issues but this is insane. He was hurt in the past and cheated on by his exes and friends but that has nothing to do with me.
Which brings me to today, I go into the living room and I see him with headphones on. I’m like that’s weird he usually leaves for work. So he closes out his tabs and leaves. I call him after and ask him what was that about and he goes nothing it was nothing. Then he confesses he thinks I’m doing something and he is so certain he “caught me” because he had his mic set up and he heard me moaning. I am literally in disbelief because all morning yesterday we were texting because of his trust issues for him to go and do this? Based on the recording he said it was around 12:30/1pm when at that time I get ready for work because I left no later than 1:30. At this point I’m just in utter shock that he would go that far when I have not done anything.
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“Here, I bought you this sword so that you'd have money to buy a new wallet and some underwear!”
Lmao wtf you feel guilty for?
I'm glad to hear you say that. You need to steel yourself & get a plan to get away. Look online about tips on how to leave an abusive boyfriend.
There are good guidelines. You don't want your death to come out of you trying to respectfully break up with him. Find out what the science says and execute that plan.
He may care, but some people suck at showing they are interested and concerned, and it can be really hard to help them see outside of that. I think you should talk to him about it and let him know that it feels like a relationship ender. Maybe he'll surprise you, but be aware it is likely to happen over and over. I know from experience.
Thank you for the comment, your question about him putting in effort to change when he couldn’t even drive 45 minutes is something I’ve never considered. But it’s 100% true. I appreciate the honesty 🙂
It is. Go read there other post. They gave reasons and they refuse to listen or take any accountability. At the end their daughter did the right thing and should keep it that way not to listen to their own son.
why do you assume the housework has to be done in the daytime? Your wife is busy supervising the 2 yo in the daytime. Why don't you observe and make notes for yourself on what time your wife gets out of bed, how much time she spends with the children/breakfast/dressing children/organizing older child for school/making school lunches/getting older child to school/washing dishes in the morning, most of which has to be done before your official work day even begins. Look at how many hours are spent just on that stuff in the morning. Deduct that from her 8 hour work schedule. Now observe how much time she spends overseeing the 2 yo after the eldest child goes to school. Remember, she can't just leave the 2 yo on its own, she has to keep an eye on that youngster, and this makes it hard to do household chores. Deduct that from her 8 hour work schedule. Please calculate when your wife reaches 8 hours of work as SAHP and post it on Reddit. Then let us know how you and your wife are going to split the chores and child care for the rest of the day, once you have both 'worked' 8 hours at home.
Catching up for the most part. Being desired feels good. Is he messaging her daily, or is it just a few messages here and there?
Right
He mentioned it once if the post is anything to go by, that doesn’t count as an entire conversation unless I’m missing something out
Have your own family party & sleepover with your kids and new baby mom. If you mom did that in front of family and has no remorse and even made comments after then you already know deep down she will do it again. Tell your kids you're starting a new family tradition this year. Play games, make home made pizza make popcorn and watch movies. OR tell your mom she is not allowed to say anything demeaning or disrespectful in front of your kids if she does you will be leaving right away and she will have to earn her privileges back of seeing you or any of your kids.
Yup 2 brunette parents, one with hazel eyes, one with light brown. 2 kids are blonde, one with blue eyes, one with dark brown and 1 kid is a redhead with blue eyes.
Forget about apologies. One is generally considered sufficient, just so you know. But saying “sorry” is the easiest thing in the world to do and is virtually meaningless in and of itself.
If your concern really is safety, rather than him showing contrition, than tell him simply and directly that you will not be getting in a car with him behind the wheel if he ever does that again. Period.
start by giving her a hug
Yeah make the move and if they reject it, to me that’s better than being left in limbo wondering what’s going on and what-ifs.
Sounds like you’re clinging to the next person who treats you right. You’re not compatible at all. You’ll cling to the next one. Find an atheist or someone not into God.
He’s a bum. Leeching off of your family. Why are you paying for him to online if he can’t even support you with your struggled
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Cool so that's probably bed time unless he's graveyard. He's either waking up soon or getting off work in a few hours, at which point it's probably going to be bed time. I'd say give him a break
There's also the possibility he typed his number in wrong, or maybe he just lost interest. Time will tell
You deserve more than trickle truth. Find someone who is less prone to “accidents” It was his choices he made leading up to this. Find someone that puts more value in their decision to be with you
If it’s not an innate thing for you, which is totally fine, can you find some reminders like tie a string to your finger so any time you remember/realize you’re wearing it you go out of your way to find him and hug/kiss him and verbally tell him how much you love and appreciate him?
Eventually you’ll build the muscle memory and habit that you don’t need reminders and will be able to do it on your own.
Typing this out also reminded me of another post from another couple that was not great at communicating their affection and they could something like a triple squeeze for “I love you” and the other person was suddenly able to express it all the time, little squeezes on her hand, thigh, back, butt, whatever and it helped her realize he was saying I love you all the time, she just wasn’t hearing it the way he was trying to show her.
e has $ and always gifts me a lot of things.
Love bombing is a red flag…. so he's trying to manipulate you by giving you gifts constantly? He's trying to buy your love, he hopes that you're inexperienced/naive enough to not realise it, and to ignore the red flags.
He did say he had a rough past but it’s related to family issues.
So how comes he's not in therapy, working on himself, and dating people his age? Why be involved with a naive teenager?
You can't marry someone you can't have open conversations with. It's obviously bothering you, and it will continue to do so until it's talked about.
You are probably right, he is being unreasonable. I would never ask him to change anything for me, and neither should he. But I really love him, and I hoped this could work. Especially when most of his demands are considered quite normal in this kind of situations where we online. I'll talk to him again about this, hope to find some way to reason him about this.
This was my exact thought. Being bi is not a license to have both at all times during a monogamous relationship. This would worry me. Not that you are not enough but maybe you don’t have there right equipment to make him happy. Is he really gay and trying to soften the blow by claiming bi?
Run
Its only been 4 months, break up with him. Why in the hell would you stay with him and sleep with other people when you could just break up with him and be free to do what you want? I truly don’t understand modern relationships.
Do it.
Why waste time posting here if you want to break up?
You need to communicate your feelings on this to him. If he is a decent human, he won't want to continue having sex with someone who isn't enjoying themselves.
That said, shame on you for not speaking up sooner.
I’m sorry, what is this “allow”? Unless you agreed to some sort of dom/sub arrangement, he does not get a say in what you buy.
What is the explanation she gives for not coming home? You doing the pick me dance is not going to change things. Are you living in a no-fault state? It is time to speak to a lawyer to get advice on how to move forward. You need to protect the interests of you and your newly born.
Counseling.
If she isn’t trying why should you?
Have some self respect, man!
I get that she's upset and not thinking clearly… but it's wild she did this to a guy she was engaged to. And even wilder that she's acting confused about it.
She was upset and the first thing she did was to cheat on you. She unilaterally decided that she may not stay with you, then kissed another guy, then came back to you.
This is just the beginning, she'll do something stupid everytime you guys have a fight. Now you decide you want to stay in this loop or move on. Relationship is the last thing that she needs right now, sounds like she needs to work on herself a lot before getting into a new relationship and you my friend need a backbone to not let anyone walk over you.
You sound like a fear-mongering over excited issue seeker. Your keyword is potentially. Him and the woman are both just as guilty and they are being judged by me for the past 5 years nothing else. Please take your hype fear mongering and rape hype elsewhere
This guy is his own worst enemy.
You should never overlook this, it can break the condom (many oils and lotions can) and can give you an infection. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, even if he’s convinced of the contrary.
If he claims it’s not so different from regular lube, then there should be no problem with you holding off on sex until there is regular lube in the picture.
It’s not a mistake, it’s ignorance and/or stubborness.
Dude. It's okay for her to privately grieve a relationship. She had a life before you. She has feelings about that life. Welcome to people. Caring that he got a GF isn't like saying she's planning on leaving you for him.
Sure, it'd have been tactless for her to cry on your shoulder about it.
But she didn't. You invaded her privacy. And now you know shit that you wouldn't have had to worry about otherwise. Instant karma.
I’m very curious if he similarly acts out about negative situations or conflict when in the presence of anybody else. If the answer is no, keep in mind that he is not out of control, because he only acts like this with you there and alone and in danger.
This is not normal and is extremely dangerous.
Decided I’m done. Everyone here confirmed that I’m not being a jerk feeling this way. I can’t stomach being with her
Not sure what his intentions are, but I bet $ she's going to make a play for him. Keep your eyes and ears open. If he's carrying a torch for her, she may take advantage.
FWIW, closure is a myth. He isn't going to find closure by meeting with her. She's a cheater. Cheaters don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. They don't deal in closure. They deal in manipulation.
Get a lawyer, establish paternity, child support,and visitation schedule
Sad thing is that even if OP changes her mind and “lets” this guy have a relationship with this other person, he’s likely already done some irreparable damage.
She was fully aware of what she was doing. Don't feel bad.
She refused said she already has enough therapy.
This is a paradox. If she had, she wouldn't say no to more.
Anyway, I was worried about her but she refused to talk to me. Wouldn't answer calls or texts. I figured it was just over now and I need to leave her alone.
Nope she was creating a scene, such that you would get worried.
The next morning I get a text from her asking me to come get my stuff I had left there. I told her just throw it all out.
And you nearly dodged the bullet.
She basically said please just come get your stuff I don't want to look at it anymore either. And she said this will be the last time we will see each other so let's say goodbye.
And the bait and switch.
I saw her sitting on the kitchen floor just crying. I sat next to her for a while not saying anything. She kinda made a move where she moved away from me a few inches. I looked at her and said “I should probably go, huh?” She nodded her head. I got up and as I was leaving I just said to her “I just wished you didn't think I was a horrible person”. She started yelling from the floor about how she did nothing wrong and what not.
Fantastic theatrics, she's had practice. Only she failed to get you to embrace her.
she called me. She was upset that I didn't want to talk
What was with all the theatrics then, if not just emotional manipulation. She had plenty of time to speak “but look how badly she's taking it”
Next time you feel bad, just remember that's how much she manipulated you.
You broke up for a reason. There is a reason exes don’t typically hang out.
Why block him, and then unblock him just cause he got hold of you. Didn’t you block him for a reason?
I think she was coerced into doing something she wouldn’t normally do. I see this as a form of sexual manipulation or sexual assault. This man used his friendship to get hard pictures of the wife. That’s what happened.
I feel really badly for her.
OP, INFO?
Did she sign any consent forms? What do they say? Does he own the images??
Tell her when she wakes up, you are going to a strip club tonight and suck on a female stripper’s nipple. Note her reaction. Is it resignation, knowing she did the same thing. Does she protest? Does she say “okay, have fun?” Does she apologize and ask you not to do that, that she was wrong? Cheating is whatever you believe it to be. IMO, while I wouldn’t consider it cheating, if it becomes a regular thing to go to strip clubs, I would consider that a big problem. Just tell her if it happens again, there will be consequences
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I am in utter disbelief right now. This man does not trust me at ALL. Mind you I have not done anything remotely questionable to make him doubt me at all. He assumes when I’m on my phone tilting it to the left I’m hiding something when that’s not the case. He’s gone through my phone twice and went through personal messages between me and a close friend. Adding to that he’s went through my laptop and then didn’t even tell me until it was convenient for him to ask me a question so he could catch me in a lie. I could go on and on and he questions me in why I get defensive, but it is so irritating to be with someone who does not trust you AT ALL. I get questioned for everything. Two weeks ago he came into the apartment and we usually make our own little personal pies for dinner. I usually eat almost my entire pizza alone, usually only leaving one slice. Mind you I was home not only 30 minutes before he got home. He accused me of having someone over because and I quote “I never finish my pizza” he assumed I had someone come over in the span of his 30 minute commute and shared my last little slice. I believe we all have some form of trust issues but this is insane. He was hurt in the past and cheated on by his exes and friends but that has nothing to do with me.
Which brings me to today, I go into the living room and I see him with headphones on. I’m like that’s weird he usually leaves for work. So he closes out his tabs and leaves. I call him after and ask him what was that about and he goes nothing it was nothing. Then he confesses he thinks I’m doing something and he is so certain he “caught me” because he had his mic set up and he heard me moaning. I am literally in disbelief because all morning yesterday we were texting because of his trust issues for him to go and do this? Based on the recording he said it was around 12:30/1pm when at that time I get ready for work because I left no later than 1:30. At this point I’m just in utter shock that he would go that far when I have not done anything.
Getting coffee as friends is fine. But he's married, so best just remain friends.