It’s a very reasonable request. You should have made it clear that “can I come over?” meant “can I bring my kids over”. And it doesn’t sound like he delivered it in an angry or controlling way.
I should’ve added, Jane and I still occasionally talk but it’s no more than a picture back and forth every other day on snapchat. Never really a conversation. She goes to a different college a few hours away.
Broseph lmfao. In all seriousness though, girl, I see you are a sweet 18 y o and you dont wanna ”offend him” but reality is he is offending you. If I were you, I would just tell him either he drops the bro/bruh/broski/broseph thing because you are his girlfriend, not his bro, or you are over. It doesnt turn you on and why would you put up with this? I think at first he will not take you seriously, and continue w broseph etc but then you enforce your boundary. Very likely is then he will change, apologize etc. Me too at 18 I was too sweet and with no balls but the earlier you learn to have some balls when dealing with men the sooner you will be in an actually happy and fulfilling relationship.
I totally agree with you and what you have said in your post in terms of lying and the foundations of a relationship and believe it or not I can’t stand lying, I am from the school that there is no such thing as there’s a difference between a little lie and big lie, a lie is a lie to me and a little one carries as much weight as a big lie.
I think I extended a great deal of personal poetic licence here as I was thinking in my mind that she was drunk and if that was me in the same situation and I made a Rick like the OP did with the second message I thought to myself so why would I have sent another one? And I thought of the lack of concept of time because I know when I am drunk I always recall messaging friends or previous partners when in a relationship with them and I would be like I spoke to you loads last night I remember having a conversation with you so don’t say that I didn’t message you! only to often look at my phone to show the proof of my recollection only to see MSG1 at 8pm and MSG2 at 1am and MSG3 which is always unreadable at like 3/4am and I suppose I said that the OP should do and say that as they might have been the same, that was my kind of thought process but nevertheless you are absolutely correct in pulling me up on it
He deserves peace in his home too and is communicating what he needs for his own mental health. If it's important to you and feels good to you to pay for a hotel for her for a night, perhaps that's an option?
He wont listen. They don’t listen. When they’re abusive, they have no respect for you. They feel like they control you. End it. Have someone present when you end it. Your kids should not be there. You and your kids should stay elsewhere for a while. Think about it: What type of person says “No” when you try to break things off? It’s now about the safety of your children and your safety. Safety in numbers or brothers, friends, cousins anybody. This may escalate. Be prepared then cut off all contact. You cannot risk it. Time to be mamma bear and step up. Stop being a dumbass and protect your family.
Yeah i know its just the thing is like i know she doesnt do anything sexually with these guys or anything like that, which is what makes the situation so weird like i know youre not cheating so i dont understand why she goes to such great lengths to still be buddies with them. Cause this has happened a few times, and it ALWAYS ends up with them pulling something and me beating them down. Happened a month before this too. Its to the point where im not even super mad at the guy i just have so many people on my shit list cause she doesnt cut them off when it first becomes a problem and instigates the situation more, until im pretty much forced to just beat em
You would really be ok with your spouse touching another, so you're not being touched? If you love your spouse, then you need to figure this out.
I'm sure there are people out there who have the same wants/desires as you but. Your spouse is not one of them. Finding a middle road is mandatory if you want a healthy and happy marriage.
I know. We have our good times where things are easily resolved but in certain situations like this I feel bad. It’s almost like a compulsion in the moment. He becomes avoidant me when he’s upset as well but i’m very persistent with him. Because he doesn’t match that with me, I think I get disappointed bc I also hold him up to that standard but I make it difficult.
Yes it is. Just please from here on when your looking for someone make sure they reciprocate the same amount of love and dedication you show for them. It’s never supposed to be one sided. Never let someone do this to you again you don’t deserve that treatment no one does.
There's literally no way for us strangers to choose without actually knowing him. However, personally, I would skip actual gifts and just have a date night that is Christmas themed.
Idk if you need to hear this but if your relationship is in trouble, it’s not in your best romantic interest to disappear for nearly half a year at that moment for the sake individuality
I always think that if you’re too afraid to have a conversation, you’re not mature enough to do the thing. I appreciate some conversations are hard, no question, but if you can’t get the gumption up, you need to wait
It’s tough/annoying because they now online across the country from each other but she took her chance to see him one of the only times she could. Really the only part that I worry about, not really other guys here, even though this has made me more aware and pay attention to it. Since they cannot easily see each other my biggest concern is just sometime down the road it comes up, then I feel I’ve wasted time not ending it before. I feel like my guy is usually right and this doesn’t sit well, but i want it to work between us. Trying not to be blind to this issue though
It’s like what they say, you can’t help people that don’t want help. Help is given and received, there are two parts to that transaction. You can continue talking to her about why it’s important to receive help- what helped break me out of it was viewing it completely logically (when I was in the right headspace for it) from a flipped point of view (if my boyfriend did it to me).
He said something like “if I was throwing up, and I wanted to go to work today, you’d let me go to work right?” I said “no of course not” so he said “so why would you go to work if you’re throwing up” “does it make you feel better?” I would say “no” Then he said “so how do you think that makes me feel? When you go do something that makes you feel bad, and I can’t stop you?”
And I didn’t do it again. I now take care of myself properly when I get sick, and communicate right away.
It sounds like you guys have a good relationship otherwise! When you really care for each other you’ll have to make changes to accommodate each other. She might be fine with this, but you’re not. And it’s perfectly okay for you to have a say in this.
It's normal for an introduction, but in their child's entire life, and in the last two years of this relationship, have they not had one single conversation about how to handle this? It's fine to be polyamorous, but to not make any considerations for how you'll handle that while parenting is irresponsible. This needed to happen long before their child was born.
The issue is a mother's comfort level with non-biologically related folks around her young daughter in various stages of undress. In a social hierarchy: Yes, that takes precedence over personal preferences.
Wel, I'm glad you can read his mind because I sure can't. I'm always up front with women I date. Marriage is a non-starter for me in a discussion. I've been married and I've had my children already. Divorce is ugly, complicated, and expensive. And, had I known that when I was younger I wouldn't have gotten married. Although, I still would've had my children.
That is your cue.you haven’t said they have to be removed from his life just his socials and he has valued these pics and whatever tie it is keeping to his ex and her fam over you. I get the impression he thinks if he removes them and her/fam see that it’s officially over. His priority is not you, tell the freeloader to sort his accom solo and send him to his mates/parents
I think it’s a blessing you found out before you got married. Breaking up is much easier and cheaper than divorce.
It’s a very reasonable request. You should have made it clear that “can I come over?” meant “can I bring my kids over”. And it doesn’t sound like he delivered it in an angry or controlling way.
I should’ve added, Jane and I still occasionally talk but it’s no more than a picture back and forth every other day on snapchat. Never really a conversation. She goes to a different college a few hours away.
Nothing. Get him something you can afford and think he'll like. I doubt he'll be any less pleased.
I understand where you’re coming from. That is a long time for close friends not to be in contact.
I’ve been with him 4 years and would rather work things out then just throw in the towel when the going gets rough. But I can’t do that anymore.
Broseph lmfao. In all seriousness though, girl, I see you are a sweet 18 y o and you dont wanna ”offend him” but reality is he is offending you. If I were you, I would just tell him either he drops the bro/bruh/broski/broseph thing because you are his girlfriend, not his bro, or you are over. It doesnt turn you on and why would you put up with this? I think at first he will not take you seriously, and continue w broseph etc but then you enforce your boundary. Very likely is then he will change, apologize etc. Me too at 18 I was too sweet and with no balls but the earlier you learn to have some balls when dealing with men the sooner you will be in an actually happy and fulfilling relationship.
I totally agree with you and what you have said in your post in terms of lying and the foundations of a relationship and believe it or not I can’t stand lying, I am from the school that there is no such thing as there’s a difference between a little lie and big lie, a lie is a lie to me and a little one carries as much weight as a big lie.
I think I extended a great deal of personal poetic licence here as I was thinking in my mind that she was drunk and if that was me in the same situation and I made a Rick like the OP did with the second message I thought to myself so why would I have sent another one? And I thought of the lack of concept of time because I know when I am drunk I always recall messaging friends or previous partners when in a relationship with them and I would be like I spoke to you loads last night I remember having a conversation with you so don’t say that I didn’t message you! only to often look at my phone to show the proof of my recollection only to see MSG1 at 8pm and MSG2 at 1am and MSG3 which is always unreadable at like 3/4am and I suppose I said that the OP should do and say that as they might have been the same, that was my kind of thought process but nevertheless you are absolutely correct in pulling me up on it
He deserves peace in his home too and is communicating what he needs for his own mental health. If it's important to you and feels good to you to pay for a hotel for her for a night, perhaps that's an option?
not a man but it’s cheating. and even if it wasn’t technically considered that, you have a right to set your own boundaries
INFO: Why do you want to marry her?
He wont listen. They don’t listen. When they’re abusive, they have no respect for you. They feel like they control you. End it. Have someone present when you end it. Your kids should not be there. You and your kids should stay elsewhere for a while. Think about it: What type of person says “No” when you try to break things off? It’s now about the safety of your children and your safety. Safety in numbers or brothers, friends, cousins anybody. This may escalate. Be prepared then cut off all contact. You cannot risk it. Time to be mamma bear and step up. Stop being a dumbass and protect your family.
Personally, I don’t see any harm. He’s showing interest.
Does your country not have sex-ed?
yes i get that, and thanks for the advice. its just anoying that all the other girls im currently seeing i just dont feel the same
Yeah i know its just the thing is like i know she doesnt do anything sexually with these guys or anything like that, which is what makes the situation so weird like i know youre not cheating so i dont understand why she goes to such great lengths to still be buddies with them. Cause this has happened a few times, and it ALWAYS ends up with them pulling something and me beating them down. Happened a month before this too. Its to the point where im not even super mad at the guy i just have so many people on my shit list cause she doesnt cut them off when it first becomes a problem and instigates the situation more, until im pretty much forced to just beat em
You would really be ok with your spouse touching another, so you're not being touched? If you love your spouse, then you need to figure this out.
I'm sure there are people out there who have the same wants/desires as you but. Your spouse is not one of them. Finding a middle road is mandatory if you want a healthy and happy marriage.
I know. We have our good times where things are easily resolved but in certain situations like this I feel bad. It’s almost like a compulsion in the moment. He becomes avoidant me when he’s upset as well but i’m very persistent with him. Because he doesn’t match that with me, I think I get disappointed bc I also hold him up to that standard but I make it difficult.
Yes it is. Just please from here on when your looking for someone make sure they reciprocate the same amount of love and dedication you show for them. It’s never supposed to be one sided. Never let someone do this to you again you don’t deserve that treatment no one does.
I've thought of it but I was worried that she might turn it into an argument again. I'll try talking about jt to her. Thanks 🙂
There's literally no way for us strangers to choose without actually knowing him. However, personally, I would skip actual gifts and just have a date night that is Christmas themed.
you don’t have to cut ties with these guys but i think fresh air would help you, get out there and find some new people
Idk if you need to hear this but if your relationship is in trouble, it’s not in your best romantic interest to disappear for nearly half a year at that moment for the sake individuality
I always think that if you’re too afraid to have a conversation, you’re not mature enough to do the thing. I appreciate some conversations are hard, no question, but if you can’t get the gumption up, you need to wait
It’s tough/annoying because they now online across the country from each other but she took her chance to see him one of the only times she could. Really the only part that I worry about, not really other guys here, even though this has made me more aware and pay attention to it. Since they cannot easily see each other my biggest concern is just sometime down the road it comes up, then I feel I’ve wasted time not ending it before. I feel like my guy is usually right and this doesn’t sit well, but i want it to work between us. Trying not to be blind to this issue though
That is terrible advice. Never tell someone to suck it up when it comes to being in the same space as their abuser.
You hit your boyfriend and are asking for sympathy here. Fuck all the way off, POS
You’re not an idiot, you’re an abuse victim.
Please don’t go back
You say one thing, and then explain the opposite
“I met 2 girls who could touch their nose with their tongue but the 3rd says it's impossible for her, she must be a liar”
She's a different person with different limits, what's so hard to understand there ? Some people can do stuffs other can't that's all
It’s like what they say, you can’t help people that don’t want help. Help is given and received, there are two parts to that transaction. You can continue talking to her about why it’s important to receive help- what helped break me out of it was viewing it completely logically (when I was in the right headspace for it) from a flipped point of view (if my boyfriend did it to me).
He said something like “if I was throwing up, and I wanted to go to work today, you’d let me go to work right?” I said “no of course not” so he said “so why would you go to work if you’re throwing up” “does it make you feel better?” I would say “no” Then he said “so how do you think that makes me feel? When you go do something that makes you feel bad, and I can’t stop you?”
And I didn’t do it again. I now take care of myself properly when I get sick, and communicate right away.
It sounds like you guys have a good relationship otherwise! When you really care for each other you’ll have to make changes to accommodate each other. She might be fine with this, but you’re not. And it’s perfectly okay for you to have a say in this.
Could you please make a detailed list of what exactly you are paying for on a regular basis?
It's all kinda extremely vague.
Thanks
It's normal for an introduction, but in their child's entire life, and in the last two years of this relationship, have they not had one single conversation about how to handle this? It's fine to be polyamorous, but to not make any considerations for how you'll handle that while parenting is irresponsible. This needed to happen long before their child was born.
The issue is a mother's comfort level with non-biologically related folks around her young daughter in various stages of undress. In a social hierarchy: Yes, that takes precedence over personal preferences.
Yeah help your girl escape , change the locks
Wel, I'm glad you can read his mind because I sure can't. I'm always up front with women I date. Marriage is a non-starter for me in a discussion. I've been married and I've had my children already. Divorce is ugly, complicated, and expensive. And, had I known that when I was younger I wouldn't have gotten married. Although, I still would've had my children.
TBH this sounds like grooming.
Your son is better off not knowing you. I'm sure he's happier without this “situation” probably doesn't talk about you either. Good for him.
why don't you go ahead and explain why he's a poor guy then
That is your cue.you haven’t said they have to be removed from his life just his socials and he has valued these pics and whatever tie it is keeping to his ex and her fam over you. I get the impression he thinks if he removes them and her/fam see that it’s officially over. His priority is not you, tell the freeloader to sort his accom solo and send him to his mates/parents