She thought he cheated on her while she as pregnant with his child – of course she didn't want him in the room during a serious medical procedure. Watching your partner give birth is not a right and it's not a slight if the person going through the hours long grueling and potentially life threatening procedure doesn't want you in there.
He shouldn't focus on meeting another woman at all – he should work through this with a therapist so he doesn't bring these hurt feelings into another relationship and hurt someone else because he's hurting.
I acknowledge it and choose not to contribute to double standards bc they’re harmful. You could make that choice too but you don’t. Tbh it’s kinda shitty that you acknowledge it’s a double standard but continue to believe it and accept it as “how things are.”
So I took the initiative of asking her for more info ( as I hate to sound manipulative), she indicated the whole essence of this act is to fight addictions, and she is addictive to food and intimacy. I should also indicate that we are meant to meet today, after not meeting for 2 weeks. I am not bothered by the desire not to have sex, but she only informed me on Wednesday.
If it really truly bothers you after you process the information fully, you would be doing her a disservice by staying with her. But if you look back on the relationship and everything is literally fine, I don’t see it being a problem for you. The only down side would be bio children together, but imo there are plenty of kids out there who would benefit being adopted and you could also go the surrogate route if it’s legal in your country. You don’t sound bigoted to me and she clearly trusted to tell you for a reason. Maybe it sucks that you had sex already if it really bothers you that much, but honestly it sounds like you do care about her and I don’t doubt that your relationship will be stronger in the end.
Sounds like your biggest issue with living her is her lack of respect for your boundaries. Set your boundaries it’s your house too. If she wants to be OCD, then she can listen to your music while you shower (obviously when she’s there you don’t do things that make you happy? Why not?). Set your boundaries !
One, not everyone is okay with oral sex. It's not a tit for tat thing. Are you trying pressure her? Or keep holding it over her head like, “*Well, I do this for you! So you've gotta do this for me! Or l just stop doing the things you like!” That's not okay. That's actually pretty selfish and unfair in my book. Would you want someone trying to pressure you? Or someone expecting you to do something you aren't comfortable with?? Because I doubt that.
Two, the majority of women DO NOT climax through intercourse! The majority of us climax through external stimulation, ie cunnilingus, fingering.
Three, she may not be able to do certain positions like Doggystyle because of a medical issue. Having endometriosis makes that particular position extremely painful!
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I 25M have been dating 25F for 3 years.
On Monday, she said her old ex of 3yrs is leaving town and she’d like to attend a trivia night to say goodbye to him and asked me if I thought that was okay. They had a very volatile on-again-off-again relationship and she would see me when they were “off” before we officially started dating 3yrs ago. I said it makes me a little uncomfortable but sure, as long as it’s just trivia as I understand wanting to say goodbye to someone who was meaningful in your life.
She goes to trivia around 5:30pm and says she won’t be there long and she’ll be done around 8:30 so we can hang out after. 8:30 comes around and she says she’ll be done by 9 as it’s taking longer. Sure no problem. 9:00 rolls around and she says 9:30 – at this point I look at her location as it’s something we both share with one another and she’s at a new bar.
As it’s getting closer to 9:30 I ask if that still works – she says yes so I head to her house to meet her there. I get there at 9:30 and she’s not there so I give her a call – straight to VM. I look at her location and it’s not at the bar anymore but outside, so I assume they’re just hanging out in her car.
I wait a bit and give her another call – no response. This is unlike her as we’re usually very communicative. I’m getting a little worried because of alcohol + hanging out with ex + secluded area…red flags in my mind.
By this time it’s close to 10 – I say screw it and text her “I’ll just meet you over by the bar and we can grab a drink after” – I drive 5 minutes and see her car and drive up. It’s just them he’s sitting in the seat reclined and she looked shocked – weird. I pull up and say I’m going to the nearby bar and to meet me after for a drink if she wants.
Little after 10 she says she’s done and to meet at my house. We meet and she said that what I did was crazy – which is a little true – and that I don’t trust her. I tell her there’s lots of red flags e.g. meeting with ex you haven’t spoken to in years, lack of overall intimacy in our relationship, spending close time alone in the car with your ex, etc so I showed up. In the end, she said it was so crazy she wants to break up. I don’t blame her but I think it’s because she knows it was wrong what she was / did, and instead of owning it is using my lack of trust as an excuse to break up with me. I explained this and she further called me crazy. Trivia’s one thing but hanging out in your car with your ex…am I crazy for seeing red flags because I am being made to feel I am.
Update: she said she wants to talk tonight? Honestly think I should just say no, enoughs been done and said, and move on.
Update 2: going to take a break from responding, the sadness and finality of losing your best friend is setting in. Going to buck up and decline meeting.
It's one thing to have differing political opinions when it comes to certain topics (i.e whether social security should be privatized or school vouchers), but there are some political opinions that just can't be overcome (i.e abortion, equal rights). Not wanting to be with someone who supports authoritarianism (like January 6th supporters) over democracy falls into that category. Thar is just s8mply touch to overcome.
Then, there are people who simply ignore scientific facts (i.e. Covid) just because it doesn't fit into the propaganda they have watched or been fed. That's honestly not somebody you want to start a family with.
So yes, you did the right thing and dodged a massive bullet.
You cannot call something self defence and disproportionate at the same time. Now you're backtracking and say, “k not it's not self defence.” You're all over the place.
I know for sure what I would've done in that situation…not maim somebody. Glad the rest of society doesn't think that's a reasonable response and we're all not walking around with broken arms.
Your point and my point are polar spectrums, idk how they can be conflated has both being reasonable. Never have I been pushed or slapped and retaliated by stomping on somebody's neck or breaking their leg, does that sound reasonable to you. You literally just said earlier it's not proportionate.
I should mention, I can’t really move out because I still need to pay the mortgage on the property, and can’t afford to live separately. I’m going abroad for a week and then will deal with the rest after too.
I don’t have to read his mind – i read OP’s post. OP’s boyfriend keeps saying “soon” to marriage but isn’t actually following through. That’s a form of manipulation.
Also I wouldn’t be surprised if he faces charges and a hefty bill from his former employer if they don’t get a great explanation and show you guys empathy with this.
What you did wasn't just rude, it was traumatising. You need to back ALL THE WAY OFF and understand that whatever hurt, guilt, sadness you are feeling over having ruined something with someone you felt you could have really liked? None of that compares to how you made him feel, which is dehumanised.
More importantly, you feeling bad is not his job to mitigate. He doesn't have to forgive you, or even respond to you. Right now you are struggling to stop reaching out to him because you are desperate for a response that will make you feel better about what you did. But what you really need is to sit with the reality that maybe what you want isn't what you get to have. You did something really shameful, so maybe in this instance you . . . get to feel ashamed for a while.
To be clear, I'm not just trying to rip on you. But there are things you need to think about here, and learn from, beyond just “I made a mistake”. Most of us don't have that word in our vocabulary at all, so it doesn't come out even “by accident”. You need to think about the fact that it's a word that would even OCCUR to you to say, under any circumstances, because that's a real problem. There's nothing wrong with “dirty talk”, but as I've made clear to many a partner, as someone with a background that includes trauma and abuse, there is a significant difference between “dirty” and “humiliating”, and just because someone likes the former doesn't mean that they EVER want to hear the latter.
Now, it seems like he actually used some humiliating words towards you as well, and if that bothered you, you should have spoken up. I won't tolerate a partner calling me a b***h or any other humiliating language in the bedroom. You don't have to either. That's a convo you should definitely have with partners if it makes you uncomfortable. But it still didn't make it okay for you to say racist things to him.
The point is: you didn't just “make a mistake”. You had language in your vocabulary that never should have been there AND you used it against someone in a way that was genuinely painful for them. You can't fix that. What you can do is leave him alone, and do better going forward.
She thought he cheated on her while she as pregnant with his child – of course she didn't want him in the room during a serious medical procedure. Watching your partner give birth is not a right and it's not a slight if the person going through the hours long grueling and potentially life threatening procedure doesn't want you in there.
He shouldn't focus on meeting another woman at all – he should work through this with a therapist so he doesn't bring these hurt feelings into another relationship and hurt someone else because he's hurting.
Sounds like she might secretly not be that glad.
I acknowledge it and choose not to contribute to double standards bc they’re harmful. You could make that choice too but you don’t. Tbh it’s kinda shitty that you acknowledge it’s a double standard but continue to believe it and accept it as “how things are.”
It's not your kink, you don't have to indulge his kink every time you have sex, and he shouldn't expect you to either
???????
Why?
Just make up a last name, damn
Truly. You own brother! Yuck!
So I took the initiative of asking her for more info ( as I hate to sound manipulative), she indicated the whole essence of this act is to fight addictions, and she is addictive to food and intimacy. I should also indicate that we are meant to meet today, after not meeting for 2 weeks. I am not bothered by the desire not to have sex, but she only informed me on Wednesday.
Sounds like he doesn’t want a wife, he wants a puppy that will follow him, worship him and obey his every command.
Why is he now suddenly saying this after 10 years though, has something changed?
This.
If it really truly bothers you after you process the information fully, you would be doing her a disservice by staying with her. But if you look back on the relationship and everything is literally fine, I don’t see it being a problem for you. The only down side would be bio children together, but imo there are plenty of kids out there who would benefit being adopted and you could also go the surrogate route if it’s legal in your country. You don’t sound bigoted to me and she clearly trusted to tell you for a reason. Maybe it sucks that you had sex already if it really bothers you that much, but honestly it sounds like you do care about her and I don’t doubt that your relationship will be stronger in the end.
Sounds like your biggest issue with living her is her lack of respect for your boundaries. Set your boundaries it’s your house too. If she wants to be OCD, then she can listen to your music while you shower (obviously when she’s there you don’t do things that make you happy? Why not?). Set your boundaries !
yeah it seems like that fairytale ending won't happen
One, not everyone is okay with oral sex. It's not a tit for tat thing. Are you trying pressure her? Or keep holding it over her head like, “*Well, I do this for you! So you've gotta do this for me! Or l just stop doing the things you like!” That's not okay. That's actually pretty selfish and unfair in my book. Would you want someone trying to pressure you? Or someone expecting you to do something you aren't comfortable with?? Because I doubt that.
Two, the majority of women DO NOT climax through intercourse! The majority of us climax through external stimulation, ie cunnilingus, fingering.
Three, she may not be able to do certain positions like Doggystyle because of a medical issue. Having endometriosis makes that particular position extremely painful!
Jezus OP do you have a text file open to copy and paste your comments over and over again?
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I 25M have been dating 25F for 3 years.
On Monday, she said her old ex of 3yrs is leaving town and she’d like to attend a trivia night to say goodbye to him and asked me if I thought that was okay. They had a very volatile on-again-off-again relationship and she would see me when they were “off” before we officially started dating 3yrs ago. I said it makes me a little uncomfortable but sure, as long as it’s just trivia as I understand wanting to say goodbye to someone who was meaningful in your life.
She goes to trivia around 5:30pm and says she won’t be there long and she’ll be done around 8:30 so we can hang out after. 8:30 comes around and she says she’ll be done by 9 as it’s taking longer. Sure no problem. 9:00 rolls around and she says 9:30 – at this point I look at her location as it’s something we both share with one another and she’s at a new bar.
As it’s getting closer to 9:30 I ask if that still works – she says yes so I head to her house to meet her there. I get there at 9:30 and she’s not there so I give her a call – straight to VM. I look at her location and it’s not at the bar anymore but outside, so I assume they’re just hanging out in her car.
I wait a bit and give her another call – no response. This is unlike her as we’re usually very communicative. I’m getting a little worried because of alcohol + hanging out with ex + secluded area…red flags in my mind.
By this time it’s close to 10 – I say screw it and text her “I’ll just meet you over by the bar and we can grab a drink after” – I drive 5 minutes and see her car and drive up. It’s just them he’s sitting in the seat reclined and she looked shocked – weird. I pull up and say I’m going to the nearby bar and to meet me after for a drink if she wants.
Little after 10 she says she’s done and to meet at my house. We meet and she said that what I did was crazy – which is a little true – and that I don’t trust her. I tell her there’s lots of red flags e.g. meeting with ex you haven’t spoken to in years, lack of overall intimacy in our relationship, spending close time alone in the car with your ex, etc so I showed up. In the end, she said it was so crazy she wants to break up. I don’t blame her but I think it’s because she knows it was wrong what she was / did, and instead of owning it is using my lack of trust as an excuse to break up with me. I explained this and she further called me crazy. Trivia’s one thing but hanging out in your car with your ex…am I crazy for seeing red flags because I am being made to feel I am.
Update: she said she wants to talk tonight? Honestly think I should just say no, enoughs been done and said, and move on.
Update 2: going to take a break from responding, the sadness and finality of losing your best friend is setting in. Going to buck up and decline meeting.
This right here.
Great idea! We’ve talked about this too. Perhaps we should try this first.
“If” this doesn't work?
Babe. This isn't working.
Obviously I can't say that he is a narc, but he sure says things that narcs say. Why stay with someone who's this shitty to you?
It's one thing to have differing political opinions when it comes to certain topics (i.e whether social security should be privatized or school vouchers), but there are some political opinions that just can't be overcome (i.e abortion, equal rights). Not wanting to be with someone who supports authoritarianism (like January 6th supporters) over democracy falls into that category. Thar is just s8mply touch to overcome.
Then, there are people who simply ignore scientific facts (i.e. Covid) just because it doesn't fit into the propaganda they have watched or been fed. That's honestly not somebody you want to start a family with.
So yes, you did the right thing and dodged a massive bullet.
Mate, did you read what you said.
You cannot call something self defence and disproportionate at the same time. Now you're backtracking and say, “k not it's not self defence.” You're all over the place.
I know for sure what I would've done in that situation…not maim somebody. Glad the rest of society doesn't think that's a reasonable response and we're all not walking around with broken arms.
Your point and my point are polar spectrums, idk how they can be conflated has both being reasonable. Never have I been pushed or slapped and retaliated by stomping on somebody's neck or breaking their leg, does that sound reasonable to you. You literally just said earlier it's not proportionate.
What else is there to talk about? She only wants to talk until she has you on her side. You’re done with talking, it’s all actions from here on out.
I should mention, I can’t really move out because I still need to pay the mortgage on the property, and can’t afford to live separately. I’m going abroad for a week and then will deal with the rest after too.
I don’t have to read his mind – i read OP’s post. OP’s boyfriend keeps saying “soon” to marriage but isn’t actually following through. That’s a form of manipulation.
Is he the only guy you've been with? If not, has anyone else complained about your tightness?
Also I wouldn’t be surprised if he faces charges and a hefty bill from his former employer if they don’t get a great explanation and show you guys empathy with this.
The other options are only sometimes when she is horny foreplay and only words of I love you and I want you!!! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE!!!
Stop contacting him. Period.
What you did wasn't just rude, it was traumatising. You need to back ALL THE WAY OFF and understand that whatever hurt, guilt, sadness you are feeling over having ruined something with someone you felt you could have really liked? None of that compares to how you made him feel, which is dehumanised.
More importantly, you feeling bad is not his job to mitigate. He doesn't have to forgive you, or even respond to you. Right now you are struggling to stop reaching out to him because you are desperate for a response that will make you feel better about what you did. But what you really need is to sit with the reality that maybe what you want isn't what you get to have. You did something really shameful, so maybe in this instance you . . . get to feel ashamed for a while.
To be clear, I'm not just trying to rip on you. But there are things you need to think about here, and learn from, beyond just “I made a mistake”. Most of us don't have that word in our vocabulary at all, so it doesn't come out even “by accident”. You need to think about the fact that it's a word that would even OCCUR to you to say, under any circumstances, because that's a real problem. There's nothing wrong with “dirty talk”, but as I've made clear to many a partner, as someone with a background that includes trauma and abuse, there is a significant difference between “dirty” and “humiliating”, and just because someone likes the former doesn't mean that they EVER want to hear the latter.
Now, it seems like he actually used some humiliating words towards you as well, and if that bothered you, you should have spoken up. I won't tolerate a partner calling me a b***h or any other humiliating language in the bedroom. You don't have to either. That's a convo you should definitely have with partners if it makes you uncomfortable. But it still didn't make it okay for you to say racist things to him.
The point is: you didn't just “make a mistake”. You had language in your vocabulary that never should have been there AND you used it against someone in a way that was genuinely painful for them. You can't fix that. What you can do is leave him alone, and do better going forward.
I hope so